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WikiJoy

Query about Geometry Cleanup and Meshing

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I am using OptiStruct, HyperMesh 13.0. I want to do static analysis of a bracket which joined with circular pipe, before analysis i am facing geometry cleanup and also meshing, i don't have any idea about geometry cleanup, i studied and watched tutorial about that but in my problem i don't know how to do this..kindly help me out regard this matter, Thanks.

Description about picture-1 & Picture-2:

Pic 1 is imported geometry..

Pic 2 is after imported file go to geometry option and did autocleanup and also we can see visualization there is no free edges and non-manifold but still have shared and suppressed edges so tell me how to delete this edges.

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Hi,

With the geometry cleanup process we are making the model geometrically continuous, that is all the gaps in between them are closed and thereby a geometry connectivity is created with the edge edit tools.  The connectivity of surface edges constitutes the geometric topology.

The perimeter of a surface is defined by edges.  There are four types of surface edges:

•Free edges

•Shared edges

•Suppressed edges

•Non-manifold edges

Free edges are colored in red and they appear between two adjacent surfaces indicate the existence of a gap between the two surfaces which need to closed.

Non-manifold edges are colored yellow and they typically occur at "T" intersections between surfaces or when 2 or more duplicate surfaces exist. Duplicate surfaces need to be deleted.

Shared edges are colored green. When the edge between two surfaces is a shared edge, there is no gap or overlap between the two surfaces - they are geometrically continuous.

Suppressed edges are colored blue.Like a shared edge, a suppressed edge indicates geometric continuity between two surfaces.

With the geometry cleanup we normally clear only the free and non manifold edges to make them shared edges, that is geometrically continuous. Since your model don't have any free edges and non-manifold edges you can go ahead with meshing.

 

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On ‎2017‎年‎8‎月‎13‎日 at 1:59 AM, Q.Nguyen-Dai said:

Don't try "autocleanup". Do that manually so you can learn more.

Thanks bro, Yes you are right. I want to learn more...

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17 hours ago, George P Johnson said:

Hi,

With the geometry cleanup process we are making the model geometrically continuous, that is all the gaps in between them are closed and thereby a geometry connectivity is created with the edge edit tools.  The connectivity of surface edges constitutes the geometric topology.

The perimeter of a surface is defined by edges.  There are four types of surface edges:

•Free edges

•Shared edges

•Suppressed edges

•Non-manifold edges

Free edges are colored in red and they appear between two adjacent surfaces indicate the existence of a gap between the two surfaces which need to closed.

Non-manifold edges are colored yellow and they typically occur at "T" intersections between surfaces or when 2 or more duplicate surfaces exist. Duplicate surfaces need to be deleted.

Shared edges are colored green. When the edge between two surfaces is a shared edge, there is no gap or overlap between the two surfaces - they are geometrically continuous.

Suppressed edges are colored blue.Like a shared edge, a suppressed edge indicates geometric continuity between two surfaces.

With the geometry cleanup we normally clear only the free and non manifold edges to make them shared edges, that is geometrically continuous. Since your model don't have any free edges and non-manifold edges you can go ahead with meshing.

 

Thank you so much dear, now i have done meshing so you can check in attahed file.  i have done 3D volume tetra mesh by selecting the all solids after that i got a message 2 failed you can check in mesh1 picture and some of elements quality problem like aspect ratio, skew, tet col, lengths, min angle, cell squish. etc those elements are not good. so, now what should i do?

3D tetramesh-1.PNG

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Hi,

To improve the mesh quality either user has to perform a remesh or has to manually perform the  translation of nodes.

Please go through http://www.altairuniversity.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/02/elemquality.pdf which describes about tetra elements quality parameters.

And I recommend you to go through this video which shows tetrameshing process with quality checking and improving: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oF7td7PbpoQ

 

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1 hour ago, George P Johnson said:

Hi,

To improve the mesh quality either user has to perform a remesh or has to manually perform the  translation of nodes.

I'm attaching a document on tetramesh quality checking. Please go through the same.

And I recommend you to go through this video which shows tetrameshing process with quality checking and improving: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oF7td7PbpoQ

 

I have watched this video many times and also learnt from this video, i have shown in above picture and just follow the 3d meshing procedure but still my meshing is not good.

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3 hours ago, George P Johnson said:

Hi,

To improve the mesh quality either user has to perform a remesh or has to manually perform the  translation of nodes.

I'm attaching a document on tetramesh quality checking. Please go through the same.

And I recommend you to go through this video which shows tetrameshing process with quality checking and improving: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oF7td7PbpoQ

 

 

1 hour ago, Prakash Pagadala said:

Hi Waqas,

 

Looks like property is missing on elements. Please check and update

I am facing another problem i am doing simple analysis of 3D circular pipe you can show in the pic in the final result i am getting this kind of errors as mentioned in the picture.

and....do you have any idea about solidthinking inspire what is the difference between hypermesh and solidthinking inspire analsysis?

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Hi,

There are some shell elements in the model, which you may have created for solid mapping. The error shows that those elements are missing property.

Please delete the shell elements in the model and try running.

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19 hours ago, Prakash Pagadala said:

Hi Waqas,

 

Looks like property is missing on elements. Please check and update

 

17 hours ago, George P Johnson said:

Hi,

There are some shell elements in the model, which you may have created for solid mapping. The error shows that those elements are missing property.

Please delete the shell elements in the model and try running.

I used solid as a enclosed volume in 3D Volume tetra Mesh. but meshing is still lots of problem as shown in below figure. kindly tell me whats wrong with this?

mesh1.1.PNG

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39 minutes ago, George P Johnson said:

Hi,

This seems to be only a graphical issue. You can just hide the surface from the model tree and review the elements in the model.

after my simulation work it showing that.....??? what does it mean?

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Hi,

The above image seems to be graphical issue. But the error is due to the mesh quality. You may need to improve mesh quality in the model.

Keep CHECKEL to NO (Analysis>Control Cards>PARAM>CHECKEL to NO) and try running the analysis.

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3 hours ago, George P Johnson said:

Hi,

The above image seems to be graphical issue. But the error is due to the mesh quality. You may need to improve mesh quality in the model.

Keep CHECKEL to NO (Analysis>Control Cards>PARAM>CHECKEL to NO) and try running the analysis.

If we will do that so it will not affect on our final analysis? another thing is that if quality of meshing is not good? what will happen on the analysis?

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Hi,

PARAM>CHECKEL to NO may affect your results. But if the poor quality elements are not at critical regions I think you can go ahead.

A low quality mesh lowers the accuracy of FEM results. In the formulation of finite elements a local parametric coordinate system is assumed for each element type and how well the physical coordinate systems, both element and global, match the parametric dictates element quality.However, there will be a point of diminishing return if you try too hard to get every element within the acceptance criteria. Your judgment is your only guide in those cases. In general, poor element shapes can cause convergence issues in analyses and can produce inaccurate results, especially when they’re at critical locations.

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22 hours ago, George P Johnson said:

Hi,

PARAM>CHECKEL to NO may affect your results. But if the poor quality elements are not at critical regions I think you can go ahead.

A low quality mesh lowers the accuracy of FEM results. In the formulation of finite elements a local parametric coordinate system is assumed for each element type and how well the physical coordinate systems, both element and global, match the parametric dictates element quality.However, there will be a point of diminishing return if you try too hard to get every element within the acceptance criteria. Your judgment is your only guide in those cases. In general, poor element shapes can cause convergence issues in analyses and can produce inaccurate results, especially when they’re at critical locations.

Hi George,

i am showing my analysis result could you tell me further about that... i have material type is SS, E=204999.9 MPa, Nu=029, density = 7.8 kg/mm3, Yield strrenght is 283 MPa. I used in constraint type 6 dof, and each load is 200N. According to result von misses is 263 but deflection is too much...kindly tell me about how to verify our result and also how to check factory of safety.

BC.PNG

Loads.PNG

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Stress 261.6.PNG

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On ‎2017‎年‎8‎月‎15‎日 at 11:31 AM, George P Johnson said:

Hi,

This seems to be only a graphical issue. You can just hide the surface from the model tree and review the elements in the model.

in the below meshing part picture, the nodes are not connected to the other part so what does it means? the two parts are not joined eachother?

mesh 1.4.PNG

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On ‎2017‎年‎8‎月‎16‎日 at 4:49 PM, George P Johnson said:

Hi,

I suggest you to consult with your University professors on results validation.

 

dear friend, my prof. said to me search yourself thats why i asked to you. Kindly, i am requesting to you help me out regard this.:)

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2 minutes ago, WikiJoy said:

in the below meshing part picture, the nodes are not connected to the other part so what does it means? the two parts are not joined eachother?

mesh 1.4.PNG

 

Hi,

 

If that is a continuous component it has to be connected. Try to get a nodal connectivity or use RBEs

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9 minutes ago, Prakash Pagadala said:

 

Hi,

 

If that is a continuous component it has to be connected. Try to get a nodal connectivity or use RBEs

my component is like that in the picture. you mean the nodes should be connected to the other parts? if i use to connect the nodes the shape of whole meshing component is changed.

mesh 1.5.PNG

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